I know that Mark Pepe may have a site on this subject, but I am going to put
this out there for everyone. There was a question about missing boxes on the
list today that I gave a very lengthy answer to. I feel very strongly that
people should at least take some ownership of their boxes. Now, of course, I
have some boxes in other states that I can't get to, but when I hear that it
might be missing, I do write a note on the clues.
I'm wondering if people would be willing to use the "contact placer" button
on the clues for any boxes that may be abandoned and see if these people are
still boxing? If not or if they don't answer within a certain amount of time,
can these boxes be adopted on the site by others who can check up on these
boxes?
Just wondering..... If you feel as though I should crawl back into my house
and keep reading about Methods in Philosophical Research, just let me know!
Music Woman
in CT
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Boxes that have since been orphaned
17 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-06-29
Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: (mindizney@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-06-29 22:46:30 UTC-04:00
Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: Judy B (sowbiz@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 03:00:33 UTC
>I feel very strongly that people should at least take some ownership
of their boxes.
> Just wondering..... If you feel as though I should crawl back into
my house
> Music Woman
> in CT
I totally agree and have just created a DATABASE that can be added to
by all members to list boxes for adoption, yours if you cannot
maintain (out of state, covered in poison ivy, etc) or if you have
made several unsuccessful attempts (over weeks, not over the weekend)
to contact placer on the .org site, then add it to the list. If you
are a kind and gentile soul wanting to adopt, pick one and post your
name and adoption date. The email column can be optional, but then
how will you get the congratulations due a new adopter?
Will this work?
Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy . . . . . . now I forget what I was doing
of their boxes.
> Just wondering..... If you feel as though I should crawl back into
my house
> Music Woman
> in CT
I totally agree and have just created a DATABASE that can be added to
by all members to list boxes for adoption, yours if you cannot
maintain (out of state, covered in poison ivy, etc) or if you have
made several unsuccessful attempts (over weeks, not over the weekend)
to contact placer on the .org site, then add it to the list. If you
are a kind and gentile soul wanting to adopt, pick one and post your
name and adoption date. The email column can be optional, but then
how will you get the congratulations due a new adopter?
Will this work?
Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy . . . . . . now I forget what I was doing
Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: cpascott (seh-letterbox@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-06-30 13:36:30 UTC
A great response.
Being new to this hobby, I've been under the impression that the vast
majority of boxes are owned -- either by the placer or by an
adopter. I think such ownership should be a given requirement. If
someone can't care for a box they've placed in another state or
because they're getting away from letterboxing, then that orphaned
box should be adopted by someone else or removed.
For those who are raising the point that a box listed as MIA might
not be missing, I'm not talking about those situations. I'm talking
about boxes that are confirmed missing by the placer but remain in
the database or orphaned boxes that are MIA -- meaning the placer
never follows up to see if the box is really missing and no adoptive
party does either. This latter situation speaks to ownership. I
don't think it too hard to imagine that 5 or 10 years from now if a
bunch of boxes that are supposedly MIA are never confirmed still in
place by their placers or owners we'll have a database full of ghost
letterboxes -- and thus virtually useless to us.
Perhaps LbNA could consider a system by which lack of placer
confirmation results in a box being listed as MIA and after a certain
number of independent 'boxers fail to find it that it then be
removed. Of course, that requires more administration of the
database than currently exists, so I don't know the best solution.
Let me use an example. This American Life letterbox was placed in
the Public Garden in Boston by a letterboxer from Baltimore while in
Boston on vacation. The box was reported missing on 1/8/2004 and the
site was updated as such. Since then, at least 3 other letterboxers
have also not found the letterbox -- judging from who they were I
think it rather probable that the box is, in fact, gone. However, it
seems apparent that this box is orphaned -- the placers from
Baltimore can't confirm the missing box and no one in the Boston area
has become it's adoptive owner. So it sits in the database. Now, in
this instance, at least it says "MIA".
Anyway, my thoughts.
Regards,
CPAScott
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> I know that Mark Pepe may have a site on this subject, but I am
going to put
> this out there for everyone. There was a question about missing
boxes on the
> list today that I gave a very lengthy answer to. I feel very
strongly that
> people should at least take some ownership of their boxes. Now, of
course, I
> have some boxes in other states that I can't get to, but when I
hear that it
> might be missing, I do write a note on the clues.
>
> I'm wondering if people would be willing to use the "contact
placer" button
> on the clues for any boxes that may be abandoned and see if these
people are
> still boxing? If not or if they don't answer within a certain
amount of time,
> can these boxes be adopted on the site by others who can check up
on these
> boxes?
>
> Just wondering..... If you feel as though I should crawl back into
my house
> and keep reading about Methods in Philosophical Research, just let
me know!
>
> Music Woman
> in CT
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Being new to this hobby, I've been under the impression that the vast
majority of boxes are owned -- either by the placer or by an
adopter. I think such ownership should be a given requirement. If
someone can't care for a box they've placed in another state or
because they're getting away from letterboxing, then that orphaned
box should be adopted by someone else or removed.
For those who are raising the point that a box listed as MIA might
not be missing, I'm not talking about those situations. I'm talking
about boxes that are confirmed missing by the placer but remain in
the database or orphaned boxes that are MIA -- meaning the placer
never follows up to see if the box is really missing and no adoptive
party does either. This latter situation speaks to ownership. I
don't think it too hard to imagine that 5 or 10 years from now if a
bunch of boxes that are supposedly MIA are never confirmed still in
place by their placers or owners we'll have a database full of ghost
letterboxes -- and thus virtually useless to us.
Perhaps LbNA could consider a system by which lack of placer
confirmation results in a box being listed as MIA and after a certain
number of independent 'boxers fail to find it that it then be
removed. Of course, that requires more administration of the
database than currently exists, so I don't know the best solution.
Let me use an example. This American Life letterbox was placed in
the Public Garden in Boston by a letterboxer from Baltimore while in
Boston on vacation. The box was reported missing on 1/8/2004 and the
site was updated as such. Since then, at least 3 other letterboxers
have also not found the letterbox -- judging from who they were I
think it rather probable that the box is, in fact, gone. However, it
seems apparent that this box is orphaned -- the placers from
Baltimore can't confirm the missing box and no one in the Boston area
has become it's adoptive owner. So it sits in the database. Now, in
this instance, at least it says "MIA".
Anyway, my thoughts.
Regards,
CPAScott
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> I know that Mark Pepe may have a site on this subject, but I am
going to put
> this out there for everyone. There was a question about missing
boxes on the
> list today that I gave a very lengthy answer to. I feel very
strongly that
> people should at least take some ownership of their boxes. Now, of
course, I
> have some boxes in other states that I can't get to, but when I
hear that it
> might be missing, I do write a note on the clues.
>
> I'm wondering if people would be willing to use the "contact
placer" button
> on the clues for any boxes that may be abandoned and see if these
people are
> still boxing? If not or if they don't answer within a certain
amount of time,
> can these boxes be adopted on the site by others who can check up
on these
> boxes?
>
> Just wondering..... If you feel as though I should crawl back into
my house
> and keep reading about Methods in Philosophical Research, just let
me know!
>
> Music Woman
> in CT
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: (mindizney@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 10:07:35 UTC-04:00
I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should still have
ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their boxes. On a
personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step up and
check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it may be missing
AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt boxes in
certain areas.
Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that I have
been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely get out to box,
let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box. Granted,
the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same park, so
people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little generosity in time is
warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take place.
Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
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ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their boxes. On a
personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step up and
check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it may be missing
AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt boxes in
certain areas.
Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that I have
been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely get out to box,
let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box. Granted,
the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same park, so
people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little generosity in time is
warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take place.
Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
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[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: cpascott (seh-letterbox@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-06-30 14:29:08 UTC
Music Woman:
As long as the clue lists the box as MIA -- or something to that
effect (reported missing but not confirmed, etc.), I'd be fine with
it. My issue is the boxes that are MIA but the database doesn't say
that. Or, for example, the Eastern State Peniteniary box which
is "presumed missing" by the placer since August 1, 2003 -- 11 months
ago -- without any confirmation of actually missing or not. In that
case, the clue listed in the database didn't say MIA.
CPAScott
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should
still have
> ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their
boxes. On a
> personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step
up and
> check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it
may be missing
> AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
>
> Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt
boxes in
> certain areas.
>
> Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that
I have
> been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely
get out to box,
> let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box.
Granted,
> the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same
park, so
> people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little
generosity in time is
> warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take
place.
>
> Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
As long as the clue lists the box as MIA -- or something to that
effect (reported missing but not confirmed, etc.), I'd be fine with
it. My issue is the boxes that are MIA but the database doesn't say
that. Or, for example, the Eastern State Peniteniary box which
is "presumed missing" by the placer since August 1, 2003 -- 11 months
ago -- without any confirmation of actually missing or not. In that
case, the clue listed in the database didn't say MIA.
CPAScott
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should
still have
> ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their
boxes. On a
> personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step
up and
> check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it
may be missing
> AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
>
> Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt
boxes in
> certain areas.
>
> Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that
I have
> been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely
get out to box,
> let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box.
Granted,
> the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same
park, so
> people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little
generosity in time is
> warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take
place.
>
> Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: Doodle & Deedle Bug (doodle_n_deedle@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 08:14:47 UTC-07:00
In a previous post not too long ago, someone was just talking about recruiting "caretakers" to look out for his out-of-the-way boxes when maintence needs are reported...post 42373...actually, I'm pretty sure it was CPAScott who started that recent thread.
Doodle.
mindizney@aol.com wrote:
I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should still have
ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their boxes. On a
personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step up and
check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it may be missing
AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt boxes in
certain areas.
Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that I have
been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely get out to box,
let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box. Granted,
the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same park, so
people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little generosity in time is
warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take place.
Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
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Doodle.
mindizney@aol.com wrote:
I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should still have
ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their boxes. On a
personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step up and
check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it may be missing
AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt boxes in
certain areas.
Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that I have
been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely get out to box,
let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box. Granted,
the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same park, so
people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little generosity in time is
warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take place.
Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
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Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: Zippity Dodah (postmystress@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 15:19:50 UTC
> I totally agree and have just created a DATABASE that can be added
> to by all members to list boxes for adoption . . .
sewbiz - nice job. I have just entered my two boxes which I placed
while on travel. Both have been recently found, although Roaming
Around has a tendency to wash out down onto the road (clues updated)
and You Can Bank On It may have ended up in a homeless person's stash
but until I get a report it is actually missing (clues aren't that
difficult and it is under the only bush in that end of the park!)the
clues stand as originally posted.
PostMystress
out to stamp the USA (and put most up for adoption!)
> to by all members to list boxes for adoption . . .
sewbiz - nice job. I have just entered my two boxes which I placed
while on travel. Both have been recently found, although Roaming
Around has a tendency to wash out down onto the road (clues updated)
and You Can Bank On It may have ended up in a homeless person's stash
but until I get a report it is actually missing (clues aren't that
difficult and it is under the only bush in that end of the park!)the
clues stand as originally posted.
PostMystress
out to stamp the USA (and put most up for adoption!)
Re: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: (californiabear@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-06-30 16:20:42 UTC
CPA Scott wrote:
> I think such ownership should be a given requirement. If
> someone can't care for a box they've placed in another state or
> because they're getting away from letterboxing, then that orphaned
> box should be adopted by someone else or removed.
That particular concept may work well for places like New England where you can't walk out your door without tripping over a letterbox and 1/10 of the population are letterboxers but out here in the West, boxers are relatively few and far between. There are many fantastic boxes in very unique places that would have to be pulled according to your recommendation.
Another option would be one of the following: Mark GPS coords for where the box had been planted. That way, if there are repeated reports of a missing box, someone with a GPSr can go straight to the spot (or pretty darn close) and confirm. This has a few drawbacks -
1) Not everyone has a GPSr
2) There are many conditions where a GPSr won't get a good reading on location (i.e. canyons, around tall buildings, under thick plant cover)
3) It seems a lot like geocaching and I can see it being abused to pump up F counts for those who may not want to work for a box.
The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the searcher was in the correct spot.
Conversely, the finders could take a picture and ask for confirmation that they were looking in the right spot.
--
___________________________________
California Bear
> I think such ownership should be a given requirement. If
> someone can't care for a box they've placed in another state or
> because they're getting away from letterboxing, then that orphaned
> box should be adopted by someone else or removed.
That particular concept may work well for places like New England where you can't walk out your door without tripping over a letterbox and 1/10 of the population are letterboxers but out here in the West, boxers are relatively few and far between. There are many fantastic boxes in very unique places that would have to be pulled according to your recommendation.
Another option would be one of the following: Mark GPS coords for where the box had been planted. That way, if there are repeated reports of a missing box, someone with a GPSr can go straight to the spot (or pretty darn close) and confirm. This has a few drawbacks -
1) Not everyone has a GPSr
2) There are many conditions where a GPSr won't get a good reading on location (i.e. canyons, around tall buildings, under thick plant cover)
3) It seems a lot like geocaching and I can see it being abused to pump up F counts for those who may not want to work for a box.
The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the searcher was in the correct spot.
Conversely, the finders could take a picture and ask for confirmation that they were looking in the right spot.
--
___________________________________
California Bear
[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: Zippity Dodah (postmystress@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 17:51:27 UTC
> The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact
spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the
searcher was in the correct spot.
> California Bear
Photo - good idea - I take a photo at the time of placement so a week
or more later when I am writing the clues I can remember where I put
it and the nature of the surrounding area. Heck, I have even taken
photos of the location where I couldn't find a box so I can email the
placer to confirm I was in the right spot. And if I was and the box
was definitely not there --- the photo becomes my 'F' count -- or
should qualify as such %^)
PostMystress
out to stamp the USA
spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the
searcher was in the correct spot.
> California Bear
Photo - good idea - I take a photo at the time of placement so a week
or more later when I am writing the clues I can remember where I put
it and the nature of the surrounding area. Heck, I have even taken
photos of the location where I couldn't find a box so I can email the
placer to confirm I was in the right spot. And if I was and the box
was definitely not there --- the photo becomes my 'F' count -- or
should qualify as such %^)
PostMystress
out to stamp the USA
Re: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: BARBARA BRUSH (barbara.brush@snet.net) |
Date: 2004-06-30 11:52:24 UTC-07:00
Music Woman,
I'm in Central CT and VERY new to letterboxing. I've only been at it a week. If the box that needs checking on in CT is within a 1/2 hour or so, I may be able to check on it when I get back from vacation.
Barb
mindizney@aol.com wrote:
I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should still have
ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their boxes. On a
personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step up and
check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it may be missing
AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt boxes in
certain areas.
Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that I have
been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely get out to box,
let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box. Granted,
the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same park, so
people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little generosity in time is
warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take place.
Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
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I'm in Central CT and VERY new to letterboxing. I've only been at it a week. If the box that needs checking on in CT is within a 1/2 hour or so, I may be able to check on it when I get back from vacation.
Barb
mindizney@aol.com wrote:
I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should still have
ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their boxes. On a
personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to step up and
check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it may be missing
AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt boxes in
certain areas.
Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that I have
been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely get out to box,
let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box. Granted,
the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same park, so
people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little generosity in time is
warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take place.
Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
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[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: lynnieth2003 (lynnieth2003@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 19:18:35 UTC
I agree Music Woman- which box? A couple of us can go hunting & if
several of us are unable to find it that might give you an
indication. Especially since we know it might not be where it's
supposed to be- we will look a little harder at the surrounding
area. Maybe it's just been knocked aside or put slightly askew. Or
maybe it's right where it's supposed to be. Worst thing that
happens, it's not there- best thing- you get lots of stamp ins. :)
As long as the hike isn't too long perhaps the kids & I can check on
it this week or next.
-Lynnie from the Family
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, BARBARA BRUSH
wrote:
> Music Woman,
>
> I'm in Central CT and VERY new to letterboxing. I've only been at
it a week. If the box that needs checking on in CT is within a 1/2
hour or so, I may be able to check on it when I get back from
vacation.
>
> Barb
>
>
> mindizney@a... wrote:
> I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should
still have
> ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their
boxes. On a
> personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to
step up and
> check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it
may be missing
> AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
>
> Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt
boxes in
> certain areas.
>
> Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that
I have
> been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely
get out to box,
> let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box.
Granted,
> the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same
park, so
> people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little
generosity in time is
> warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take
place.
>
> Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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several of us are unable to find it that might give you an
indication. Especially since we know it might not be where it's
supposed to be- we will look a little harder at the surrounding
area. Maybe it's just been knocked aside or put slightly askew. Or
maybe it's right where it's supposed to be. Worst thing that
happens, it's not there- best thing- you get lots of stamp ins. :)
As long as the hike isn't too long perhaps the kids & I can check on
it this week or next.
-Lynnie from the Family
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, BARBARA BRUSH
> Music Woman,
>
> I'm in Central CT and VERY new to letterboxing. I've only been at
it a week. If the box that needs checking on in CT is within a 1/2
hour or so, I may be able to check on it when I get back from
vacation.
>
> Barb
>
>
> mindizney@a... wrote:
> I feel as though people who plant boxes while on vacation should
still have
> ownership of their boxes, but have people in place to check their
boxes. On a
> personal note, I have repeatedly asked people from Virginia to
step up and
> check on my box whenever I've received a note indicating that it
may be missing
> AND NO ONE HAS DONE SO. It is not that I've not tried.
>
> Obviously there are people out there who are unwilling to adopt
boxes in
> certain areas.
>
> Also, I have a box which has been reported missing here in CT that
I have
> been unable to confirm. I have an extremely busy life and rarely
get out to box,
> let alone drive an hour and 15 minutes one way to check on a box.
Granted,
> the box is box 1 of a series of boxes that I've placed in the same
park, so
> people will not go home empty handed, but I think a little
generosity in time is
> warranted here, which it seems as though you feel shouldn't take
place.
>
> Music Woman, who's on her way to her Action Research Grad Class
>
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: Sunshine (letterboxing8675309@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 12:51:42 UTC-07:00
Forgive me for saying so, but there's no way a photo of a hiding place
should count as a find. In fact, the other day I found a letterbox that was
completely intact except that the stamp was missing--I came home and emailed
the placer, and I even volunteered to recarve the stamp myself if he/she
can't get to the box, but it never even occurred to me to count it as a find
because I don't have the stamp in my log book. As far as I'm concerned,
only the stamp counts.
I think that the best part of this game is the search...even if it requires
a few trips back to the location, some digital photos and email exchanges
(and maybe even waiting for the owner or caretaker to take some action or to
replace the box) to finally get the stamp.
Happy hunting,
Sunshine
-----Original Message-----
From: Zippity Dodah [mailto:postmystress@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:51 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
> The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact
spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the
searcher was in the correct spot.
> California Bear
Photo - good idea - I take a photo at the time of placement so a week
or more later when I am writing the clues I can remember where I put
it and the nature of the surrounding area. Heck, I have even taken
photos of the location where I couldn't find a box so I can email the
placer to confirm I was in the right spot. And if I was and the box
was definitely not there --- the photo becomes my 'F' count -- or
should qualify as such %^)
PostMystress
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should count as a find. In fact, the other day I found a letterbox that was
completely intact except that the stamp was missing--I came home and emailed
the placer, and I even volunteered to recarve the stamp myself if he/she
can't get to the box, but it never even occurred to me to count it as a find
because I don't have the stamp in my log book. As far as I'm concerned,
only the stamp counts.
I think that the best part of this game is the search...even if it requires
a few trips back to the location, some digital photos and email exchanges
(and maybe even waiting for the owner or caretaker to take some action or to
replace the box) to finally get the stamp.
Happy hunting,
Sunshine
-----Original Message-----
From: Zippity Dodah [mailto:postmystress@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:51 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
> The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact
spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the
searcher was in the correct spot.
> California Bear
Photo - good idea - I take a photo at the time of placement so a week
or more later when I am writing the clues I can remember where I put
it and the nature of the surrounding area. Heck, I have even taken
photos of the location where I couldn't find a box so I can email the
placer to confirm I was in the right spot. And if I was and the box
was definitely not there --- the photo becomes my 'F' count -- or
should qualify as such %^)
PostMystress
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: (mindizney@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-06-30 18:55:03 UTC-04:00
In a message dated 6/30/2004 12:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
californiabear@comcast.net writes:
The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact spot the box
has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the searcher was in the
correct spot.
I've actually done this recently. Camera Obscura said that he would have his
BIG Virgin box back in within a week after the June 5th Trail Day gather.
However, when Bluebird and I checked on it exactly a week later, it still wasn't
replanted. I happened to have my new and oh so cool digital camera with me
and I took a picture of the place where I thought it was supposed to be hidden.
I then sent him via e-mail a copy of the picture (I was close enough to the
hiding spot where I didn't need an arrow or anything), and (he apologized for
not getting it out on time) he was able to tell me that I was in the correct
spot. That way, when we went back, it was there and we didn't have to search
too hard because we knew we were in the correct spot.
Music Woman
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californiabear@comcast.net writes:
The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact spot the box
has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that the searcher was in the
correct spot.
I've actually done this recently. Camera Obscura said that he would have his
BIG Virgin box back in within a week after the June 5th Trail Day gather.
However, when Bluebird and I checked on it exactly a week later, it still wasn't
replanted. I happened to have my new and oh so cool digital camera with me
and I took a picture of the place where I thought it was supposed to be hidden.
I then sent him via e-mail a copy of the picture (I was close enough to the
hiding spot where I didn't need an arrow or anything), and (he apologized for
not getting it out on time) he was able to tell me that I was in the correct
spot. That way, when we went back, it was there and we didn't have to search
too hard because we knew we were in the correct spot.
Music Woman
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[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2004-07-01 01:32:11 UTC
An "F" means you found a letterbox, not that you found the hiding
spot. Furthermore, it is not truly an "F" unless you complete the
stamp exchange -- both ways. Therefore technically if the box is
there but the stamp is missing, it would not be a "F" or even an "f"
since you did not obtain the box stamp.
SpringChick
p.s. This would be found in the LbNA FAQ in case perhaps you have
not read it...
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Zippity Dodah"
wrote:
> > The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact
> spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that
the
> searcher was in the correct spot.
> > California Bear
>
> Photo - good idea - I take a photo at the time of placement so a
week
> or more later when I am writing the clues I can remember where I
put
> it and the nature of the surrounding area. Heck, I have even
taken
> photos of the location where I couldn't find a box so I can email
the
> placer to confirm I was in the right spot. And if I was and the
box
> was definitely not there --- the photo becomes my 'F' count -- or
> should qualify as such %^)
>
> PostMystress
> out to stamp the USA
spot. Furthermore, it is not truly an "F" unless you complete the
stamp exchange -- both ways. Therefore technically if the box is
there but the stamp is missing, it would not be a "F" or even an "f"
since you did not obtain the box stamp.
SpringChick
p.s. This would be found in the LbNA FAQ in case perhaps you have
not read it...
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Zippity Dodah"
> > The other thing that might work is to take a photo of the exact
> spot the box has been placed. That can be a way to confirm that
the
> searcher was in the correct spot.
> > California Bear
>
> Photo - good idea - I take a photo at the time of placement so a
week
> or more later when I am writing the clues I can remember where I
put
> it and the nature of the surrounding area. Heck, I have even
taken
> photos of the location where I couldn't find a box so I can email
the
> placer to confirm I was in the right spot. And if I was and the
box
> was definitely not there --- the photo becomes my 'F' count -- or
> should qualify as such %^)
>
> PostMystress
> out to stamp the USA
[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: Judy B (sowbiz@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-01 02:17:23 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Sunshine"
wrote:
> Forgive me for saying so, but there's no way a photo of a hiding
place should count as a find.
You are forgiven . . . and as reported . . . there are no rules.
And no prize either!!!!
;^D
Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy . . . re-calculating her finds
> Forgive me for saying so, but there's no way a photo of a hiding
place should count as a find.
You are forgiven . . . and as reported . . . there are no rules.
And no prize either!!!!
;^D
Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy . . . re-calculating her finds
[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-01 05:13:23 UTC
Hmm... Interesting. I just went back and re-read the FAQs on what
counts as a find or placed. I *remembered* it saying something
like 'if you find a box and *attempt* to sign-in....' so I've always
counted boxes I've found without the stamps as a find. (Not that I
really count in the first place, but I would count it is a find.)
Looking the FAQ (which have clearly been updated since the last time
I read it, though that could have been YEARS ago for as often as I
read them), it clearly states that a box does not count as a found if
you don't get the stamp.
I'm still inclined to count them as a find myself--look, I got THE
BOX!!! I *tried* to stamp in--it's not my fault the stamp was
missing.
As long as I feel like I've done all the motions in finding a
letterbox to the best of my ability, I'll count it as a find.
Perhaps it's not totally in sync with the official rules of counting,
but I doubt too many people care if my count is 532 or 530--it's not
often I find a letterbox without a stamp!
But just finding the hiding spot isn't good enough by my standards to
count as a find. I've got to find the material evidence of its
existance for it to count! =)
My rule when it comes to counting boxes: If it FEELS like it should
be counted, I count it. And try not to be too critical if someone
else thinks differently about the subject--there are grey areas that
just aren't worth the effort to fight over. *shrug* =)
Carpe diem!
-- Ryan
counts as a find or placed. I *remembered* it saying something
like 'if you find a box and *attempt* to sign-in....' so I've always
counted boxes I've found without the stamps as a find. (Not that I
really count in the first place, but I would count it is a find.)
Looking the FAQ (which have clearly been updated since the last time
I read it, though that could have been YEARS ago for as often as I
read them), it clearly states that a box does not count as a found if
you don't get the stamp.
I'm still inclined to count them as a find myself--look, I got THE
BOX!!! I *tried* to stamp in--it's not my fault the stamp was
missing.
As long as I feel like I've done all the motions in finding a
letterbox to the best of my ability, I'll count it as a find.
Perhaps it's not totally in sync with the official rules of counting,
but I doubt too many people care if my count is 532 or 530--it's not
often I find a letterbox without a stamp!
But just finding the hiding spot isn't good enough by my standards to
count as a find. I've got to find the material evidence of its
existance for it to count! =)
My rule when it comes to counting boxes: If it FEELS like it should
be counted, I count it. And try not to be too critical if someone
else thinks differently about the subject--there are grey areas that
just aren't worth the effort to fight over. *shrug* =)
Carpe diem!
-- Ryan
[LbNA] Re: Boxes that have since been orphaned
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2004-07-01 09:44:41 UTC
Shortly after I started letterboxing two years ago, a box in this
area lost its stamp to geo-trinkets. The question was raised on the
list as to whether finding the stampless box was an "F" and the FAQ
was cited, defining an "F" as being a complete stamp exchange. So
the FAQ may have changed at some point, but it has read this way for
the past 2 years.
But, that was back when I was anal about my numbers. I think when
you are new at something you tend to look for some tangible way to
define it and measure your success. The funny thing is, I ended up
adopting this box since it was near my house and the original placer
was no longer an active 'boxer. I carved a new stamp and have since
then done maintenance on it. Not an "F", not a "P", just one of
those things you do in the spirit of the game.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> Hmm... Interesting. I just went back and re-read the FAQs on
what
> counts as a find or placed. I *remembered* it saying something
> like 'if you find a box and *attempt* to sign-in....' so I've
always
> counted boxes I've found without the stamps as a find. (Not that
I
> really count in the first place, but I would count it is a find.)
>
> Looking the FAQ (which have clearly been updated since the last
time
> I read it, though that could have been YEARS ago for as often as I
> read them), it clearly states that a box does not count as a found
if
> you don't get the stamp.
>
> I'm still inclined to count them as a find myself--look, I got THE
> BOX!!! I *tried* to stamp in--it's not my fault the stamp was
> missing.
>
> As long as I feel like I've done all the motions in finding a
> letterbox to the best of my ability, I'll count it as a find.
> Perhaps it's not totally in sync with the official rules of
counting,
> but I doubt too many people care if my count is 532 or 530--it's
not
> often I find a letterbox without a stamp!
>
> But just finding the hiding spot isn't good enough by my standards
to
> count as a find. I've got to find the material evidence of its
> existance for it to count! =)
>
> My rule when it comes to counting boxes: If it FEELS like it
should
> be counted, I count it. And try not to be too critical if someone
> else thinks differently about the subject--there are grey areas
that
> just aren't worth the effort to fight over. *shrug* =)
>
> Carpe diem!
>
> -- Ryan
area lost its stamp to geo-trinkets. The question was raised on the
list as to whether finding the stampless box was an "F" and the FAQ
was cited, defining an "F" as being a complete stamp exchange. So
the FAQ may have changed at some point, but it has read this way for
the past 2 years.
But, that was back when I was anal about my numbers. I think when
you are new at something you tend to look for some tangible way to
define it and measure your success. The funny thing is, I ended up
adopting this box since it was near my house and the original placer
was no longer an active 'boxer. I carved a new stamp and have since
then done maintenance on it. Not an "F", not a "P", just one of
those things you do in the spirit of the game.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> Hmm... Interesting. I just went back and re-read the FAQs on
what
> counts as a find or placed. I *remembered* it saying something
> like 'if you find a box and *attempt* to sign-in....' so I've
always
> counted boxes I've found without the stamps as a find. (Not that
I
> really count in the first place, but I would count it is a find.)
>
> Looking the FAQ (which have clearly been updated since the last
time
> I read it, though that could have been YEARS ago for as often as I
> read them), it clearly states that a box does not count as a found
if
> you don't get the stamp.
>
> I'm still inclined to count them as a find myself--look, I got THE
> BOX!!! I *tried* to stamp in--it's not my fault the stamp was
> missing.
>
> As long as I feel like I've done all the motions in finding a
> letterbox to the best of my ability, I'll count it as a find.
> Perhaps it's not totally in sync with the official rules of
counting,
> but I doubt too many people care if my count is 532 or 530--it's
not
> often I find a letterbox without a stamp!
>
> But just finding the hiding spot isn't good enough by my standards
to
> count as a find. I've got to find the material evidence of its
> existance for it to count! =)
>
> My rule when it comes to counting boxes: If it FEELS like it
should
> be counted, I count it. And try not to be too critical if someone
> else thinks differently about the subject--there are grey areas
that
> just aren't worth the effort to fight over. *shrug* =)
>
> Carpe diem!
>
> -- Ryan